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  1. Mango Puree
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    Mango Puree Well-Known Member

    @Wing @Princess♥

    I've been in DC for the past couple of days, and I see now what occurred while I was gone.

    First of all things, wing gave Lance, of all people, moderator even though he's been gone for more then 3 months. Lance raided my discord and the unofficial IdleServer one without thinking "hmm, maybe this is a bit fucked up". You think that's professional? I sure don't. I really don't see why wing or Princess think it's a good idea to give someone who's fucked up so many times moderator. It's the same thing with DJ, he's created so much drama in the past and messed up so much that you're just going to keep giving him chances? He has to learn his lesson and not think that he can break the rules time after time and be forgiven.

    About Michael's behavior, although it was immature of him he had a reason to do so. DJ and Lance are two people who don't deserve mod nor admin after what they've done. The past couple of decisions that wing and Princess have made over the past few days have been extremely careless and I'm starting to think they really don't give a crap about the staff team anymore.

    In conclusion, revoke the permissions of Lance since he hasn't been on in a long time and take away mod from DJ since he's started so much drama. If wing or Princess punish me for speaking out against these two then it shows how much they don't care.

    TL;DR ~ Wing and Princess made bad decisions, DJ and Lance don't deserve mod for the shit they've done.

    EDIT: I'd also like to point out that the reason why Lance raided my discord is because he wanted to get revenge on what we did to Aegeus even though it was unintentional and I made up with him. Silly reason to do what he did though.
     
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  2. Aegeus Dusk
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    Aegeus Dusk Well-Known Member

    Raiding the discord was a bad idea, but it was kinda karma even though I still dont approve of it
     
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  3. Mango Puree
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    Mango Puree Well-Known Member

    I've said this over and over, IT WAS NOT OUR INTENTION TO MAKE YOU UPSET. I don't DESERVE this if I didn't mean to hurt you.
     
  4. Aegeus Dusk
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    Aegeus Dusk Well-Known Member

    thats the part where I shake my head on lance's decision. He knows better
     
  5. Mango Puree
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    Mango Puree Well-Known Member

    Also going to point out that Lance was using the victim card on his mod app by saying "You and everyone else made MY life a living hell." Lance had no right to say this, and if anything Aegeus should have said something like this, but I can see that Aegeus is more mature then Lance, further proving my point that Lance is not mod material.
     
  6. festive cardboard
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    festive cardboard Well-Known Member Former Staff

    Why bring up the DJ hate bandwagon again for stuff that's happened in the past, when he's clearly already sorted it out with Wing and Princess?
     
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  7. Mango Puree
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    Mango Puree Well-Known Member

    He got mod for the 3rd time even though he helped Lance raid my discord. You've been out for some time so you don't know about the whole ordeal.
     
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  8. Mango Puree
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    Mango Puree Well-Known Member

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    If anyone doesn't know about the whole raid ordeal, basically I gave Lance an invite to my discord and he invited a crap ton of people to my discord to raid it, spamming swastikas, posting porn, tagging everyone. DJ helped Lance but later lied about his involvement with the raid and said he didn't do it. The attached image shows the number of people I had to ban. Lance then said that he did this because of our accidental Aegeus ordeal and how he wanted to get revenge for Aegeus even though Aegeus didn't really want revenge.

    Credit to DJ Prodigy for the picture, apologies if I'm infiltrating on your privacy however it doesn't really put you into a bad position alone.
     

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  9. Captain Meliodas
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    Captain Meliodas Well-Known Member Staff Member JailBreak Mod

    I can confirm that DJ did indeed help raid mangos discord and the idleserver (unofficial discord)
    Red and I did some deducting to find out who invited the people into the discord that kept posting the gory stuff and shit into our discord

    my first thoughts were Mango,Lance, Or DJ

    I kept kicking the people doing it (posting the stuff) because as a moderator on the discord I only have the power to kick and not ban... so I kept kicking and checking the invites to see which ones were being used to invite them and Lance Mango and DJ had the most uses

    Lance and DJ were in the discord acting like it was terrible and "begging them to stop" which immediately made me know it was them because they were trying to cover it up by being the "heroes" at the time

    Mango had his discord raided so I thought that could also be a coverup because mango doesn't have any rules in his discord and doesn't really care what happens on there so I thought it would be odd that a place that could be easily raided without punishment would be raided since there would be no fun in doing it if the act was ok

    but I cast aside mango after checking the invites constantly and every time I kicked these 4 people an invite count was added to Dj or Lance
    DJ also tried to FAKE dm's with lance and literally forged it to make it look like he wasn't involved

    after more case solving we banned them from the discord (both discords) for their immature acts

    this was quite recent and they've done multiple acts like this before... no way in hell could I vouch for someone who raids discords for revenge and fun

    however, since it wasn't on the officiidle serverver discord, the forums, or the servers there is no real way we can hold it against them here unless we just downvote applications for it

    I do think it was a really bad idea to give DJ more and more and more chances when it's obvious he's not mature enough to have a position of power, however, we have yet to see if lance can do his job and even though he acts immature time will tell if it was a bad idea
     
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  10. festive cardboard
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    festive cardboard Well-Known Member Former Staff

    Elaborate?
     
  11. Falcon
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    Falcon The Mightiest Bird

    I have direct confirmation about this with DJ, and have proof of it entirely.
     
  12. Captain Meliodas
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    Captain Meliodas Well-Known Member Staff Member JailBreak Mod

    I was just informed that the DM's were not forged or fake so that was my bad

    however, he showed a small section of the DM's with lance to make him look innocent and Lance guilty but there was more afterward that Lance said to cover his own ass so it was screwed with and messed around so that they both fought like kids trying to act innocent
     
  13. Falcon
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    Falcon The Mightiest Bird

    dj.dj.dj....jpg oh my dj....jpg why dj.jpg
    Apparently DJ "photoshopped" the screenshot in the second picture with DJ private messaging Lance an invite to Mango's discord with the intent of raiding it. This is literally DJ confessing to raiding the discord to any of those naysayers who didn't believe at all. I don't believe this at all that it was photoshopped, but if it was why haven't you told us you became a master at photoshop DJ? (emphasis on sarcasm if you couldn't tell.)
     
  14. Mango Puree
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    Mango Puree Well-Known Member

    Sounds like BS, no one can photoshop that in the small time he had to give the pms.
     
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  15. Falcon
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    Falcon The Mightiest Bird

    Which makes this direct evidence confirming they raided and had the intentions to raid the discords in the first place,
    (Also here's a close up on the pm between lance and DJ if you're interested.)
    lancexdj.jpg

    Why and how would someone manage to photoshop an entire conversation entirely, and manage to do it while getting it to look like Lance posted the messages and the discord invite, while sending it to me in such a short amount of time? It's literally impossible to do all of that work in the short span of time, which proves this conversation was real and they both had the intention, and went out with the raidings. Also, If you don't believe the pm between me and DJ was enough, here's even more proof.
    oh dj. why....jpg
    If you're wondering what the black box is for, it's just to cover up the n-word that was used as a username. To put you in context, (And others can confirm this as well), the users were kicked during the raid. They caused the raid entirely. Now I have a question for you... Why would these people raid the discord and get kicked, ONLY MINUTES after DJ made an invite? The answer? Isn't it obvious?! DJ INVITED THE RAIDERS INTO THE DISCORD! That's all I have to say, and these should just prove they're guilty of what they've done, and most DEFINITELY something should be done about this, and with a punishment that is worth what they've done.
     
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  16. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    I'm still baffled you guys are going on about this lol i've been banned from the discords, end of story. What happens on discord has nothing to do with the main branch of idle server unless there is a official (owner made) discord server. You guys are going on about an incident that happened two weeks ago, i admit it was reckless and immature many many times already. Of course that dosent make what i did any much more okay, but i'm well aware of what i did and what i deserve. I dont plan and having you guys trust me or even like me but we really shouldn't be spiraling about this over and over. I had the plan to raid the servers first off, then asked DJ to help me, end of story, it was my plan all along. Don't dig a hole down with DJ more than there already is because it was all my doing, and he was just a victim of peer pressure. So really what else do you want? More blood? Because you shouldn't steep down low to levels that i have reached, its not a wise thing to do, and i hope you know better than i do about that. I take insults and harassment on a daily basis so it really wouldn't solve anything. I'd just simply ask Wing and Princess their official stance if they have one, because as for mod ship, i call to their choice.

    Why Can't We be friends~ Why Can't We be friends~

    (Edit, all those chats are real btw. I believe Dj claimed he photo-shopped it because regretted telling you who did it, but i merely stopped talking to him when the beans were spilled.)
     
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  17. Aegeus Dusk
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    So lance and DJ got mod and everyone is bitching about it, so what? Dj may or may not have changed but we dont know because we didnt give him a fucking chance again. As for Lance, yes, he wasnt supposed to raid the discord but no ones perfect right? We all make mistakes and Lance doesnt need no mod for raiding a discord. It was long ago wasnt it? Even then, yall decided to raid my server which looking at it now I dont mind. Before though, its kind of like the same situation. Whats so bad about Lance being mod huh? DJ is a good mod he just needs more training or not to act too fast. Lance did something any human would do responding to a simple event. Dj just needs to think more before proceding with actions. See? No ones perfect. We dont need anymore drama right?
     
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  18. DoctorDingDong
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    DoctorDingDong Supreme Donger Lord Staff Member JailBreak Admin

    Give the man a chance. He has been mod for no more than 24 hours and ya'll are already going off the deep-end about it. I don't know Lance very well, but I do know that you guys don't have the slightest idea what he is capable of. People change and you haven't even given Lance the ability to prove that he has done so.
     
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  19. Aegeus Dusk
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    THATS WHAT IM SAYING! Ive known Lance and he just got mod, he IS mod material. Yall just cant see that over what happened in the discord.
     
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  20. Falcon
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    Falcon The Mightiest Bird

    The problem we have is that he's shown that he's reckless and immature EVEN without powers. That's why we can't trust letting him have powers, if he does this stuff without powers. That's the problem. (Well... That's what I think the problem is, and other shit, but I'm not going into detail cause idk.)
     
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  21. Mango Puree
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    OH THAT IS HILARIOUS, MAN! You think just because it wasn't official that it wouldn't pack a punch? That is the silliest shit I've heard all day. First of all, shame on anyone who agreed with this bullshit. "What happens on the discord has nothing to do with the main branch of idleserver" Why do you think the discord is called IdleServer then? It's because it's related to the IdleServer branch. You didn't apologize at all when Falcon asked for an apology on your moderator application. You even admit that you deserve something but you don't want to take it. DJ has done stuff in the past so this isn't his first offense.
     
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  22. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    I'm a mod, that gives me a responsibility. I've spent a large chunk of time earning the ability to moderate. I wouldn't take the responsibility lightly, I might be reckless, but i'm not dumb. Its even worse then doing what i did at this point, i have limited parameters to follow and i would only go that far. Favoritism and mod abuse isn't on the bright side of my "do before i die list" its shameful to what "ego" i have.
     
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  23. Mango Puree
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    What I was trying to say with this forum post is that Lance doesn't deserve moderator with all the stuff he's done. I'm not trying to start drama I just want Lance to understand that what he did was wrong and to formerly apologize for what he's done. It wasn't a long time ago, it was only 2~3 weeks ago. DJ is not a good mod, you call constant abuse a good mod?
     
  24. Falcon
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    Falcon The Mightiest Bird

    I'm not gonna start any more shit or raise my tone just to waste any more unnecessary time on this, but just say. It doesn't matter whether or not you're a mod. You shouldn't change your responsibility no matter your role or what powers you have, or don't have. Becoming a mod shouldn't be, ignore all the past, and just act all new. It should be showing what you've accomplished all the way up until that point. An applicant should strive to take responsibility, and honor the community no matter whether his application is accepted, pending, or even denied. If he is a determined person to join the staff, he should be willing to take responsibility not matter the causes, and treat things with responsibility as if he got mod already. I know this is ironic of me, because I've been doing a lot of shit, and I shouldn't have the right to say it in the first place, but I realize that, but you're a person who applied for the position. No matter what happens getting mod shouldn't just be forgive, and forget. It's realizing your mistaking, and improving upon them. I'm not trying to start anymore unnecessary shit that I don't need to at this point. I'm just here to say some things. Others can have their opinion. This is my opinion. Don't take it anymore than that. It's an opinion, and if it offends you just ignore it then. That's all I gotta say.
     
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  25. Aegeus Dusk
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    He can speak for himself I dont need to convince you of looking through that. Everyone deserves chances right? I gave you a chance when you apologized. If you must keep soapboxing about them getting mod, keep it out of idleserver. Its all up to Wing and/or princess. In my opinion, they are good mods. I dont need to shit out a forum post on how good they are, and you dont need to shit out a thread whining or whatever you call it about them getting mod.
     
  26. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    The only thing i really feel bad about it the bystanders that had to deal with what i did, Mango you do exactly what i did all the time, and don't lie about it. Everyone i targeted, everyone i wanted revenge for at the time did it. i wanted to turn the tables and deliver the same medicine. Was it the right choice? No. Was it Reckless? Yes. Why am i not apologizing? Because i personally feel you haven't learned anything from it, even as of now you're doing what i assume you would do., you would do it guilt free too because it looks funny.

    I will say this though since everyone is right that i'm due for saying it. DootDoot, Falcon, Link_Link_Link, and many others i could list (aka all the bystanders). Sorry for the spam on the discord, rather i know you didn't like it at all, neither did i after the fact. I screwed Dj, a friend over, and gave you all a hard time. So deepest apologies and DootDoot, you contained it well.
     
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  27. Mango Puree
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    The reason I posted this is to talk to wing and princess about their decision and how it was bad. DJ is not a good mod in any retrospect and I have no idea why you think he's a good mod. How am I supposed to keep something that involves IdleServer out of IdleServer?
     
  28. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    Yes it is your opinion, and i actually agree with it. The sins are still on my back, of course, but the only REAL way to get them off is by my actions though. My words only go so far.
     
  29. Mango Puree
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    I've never raided a discord, and if I have you need to remind me about that. I've not learned anything because the way you executed the lesson was horrible.
     
  30. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    Here, let me specify, "Spam, spamming photos, and mic spamming" two of those three occured in the discord raid. But its stuff you do all the time.
     
  31. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    Also, I'd request that we keep this least Toxic as possible? Or i'm sure the forum would get deleted or locked. Or take the conversation somewhere else and simply leave the forum post for its previous purpose.
     
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  32. Falcon
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    Falcon The Mightiest Bird

    Oh shit. I forgot that Mango talked about Michael! Remember when he deleted his mod app again. Lol, I upvoted him until his discord fiasco tho. I wish he didn't do that tho...
     
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  33. Mango Puree
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    Mango Puree Well-Known Member

    Wha?
     
  34. Falcon
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    Falcon The Mightiest Bird

    This was about Michael raiding the Official Discord, Right?
     
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  35. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    What? lol
     
  36. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    Michael raided the same discord i raided...? ._. whats this about? lol
     
  37. Mango Puree
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    Mango Puree Well-Known Member

    No, this whole thing was about Lance and DJ and how they don't deserve the rank. I mentioned Michael but we weren't talking about him.
     
  38. Falcon
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    Falcon The Mightiest Bird

    Nah. The official one. He just got a lot of porn on the discord saying, "fuck it, i give up", and then did the shit. Lol.
     
  39. Falcon
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    Falcon The Mightiest Bird

    oh... ok.
     
  40. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    I had no clue there was literally a official discord... lol
     
  41. Falcon
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    Falcon The Mightiest Bird

    Yee.
    https://discord.gg/4Wn9KET
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    100% Official.
     
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  42. DJ Prodigy
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    DJ Prodigy Well-Known Member JailBreak Mod

    ill just post this here since no one clearly read what wing said on blinx's abuse report towards me and narrow it done nice and short.
    We will use this as what DJ said as he posted over here. https://idleserver.com/threads/stress.2840/live?page=1#post-11894

    For respawning. Jailbreak Moderators should not be self-respawning. They could have another staff member respawn them with valid reason. Staff can respawn with groups. We want to keep it fair and not drag rounds on and on while others are dead and waiting.

    I do not agree with multiple kicks. We want to escalate to a Jailbreak Admin to input bans if multiple kicks were needed.

    Sometimes rounds get totally messed up. I'm on the side of letting things play out. The warden should give orders and keep the round moving. The staff has access to slay all and it should be used rarely if ever.

    I was recently working on my friend's list so I thought I might have deleted DJ but as others are saying he is deleting friends.

    I'll remove his access and wait to see if DJ posts here. DJ explained himself above. I wouldn't have kicked him out over this. So if DJ posts in this thread acknowledging the above statements and imply he wants his access back, I'll add it back.

    Now let me narrow it done:

    in the report i had been claimed for Respawning my self.

    Wing said that mods cant do this, but can if its in a group of people

    At the CURRENT sitation of that day the entire red team or half of them got freekilled including me! so i did
    /respawn @RED. And yet got yelled at to "Slay myself" i know the fucking rules and i respawned with a group of people who got freekilled

    About the kicks, at one point i put in for a reason "BAN THIS ACCOUNT" as in letting an ADMIN seeing the kick to ban the account!

    And about the slaying all, i asked the ENTIRE server if i could slay all to restart the round as it was messy.



    now after all this short and sweet stuff, Wing has explained that nothing i did in the report was MOD ABUSE so heres a suggestion drop the fucking shit, and continue with your life.
     
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  43. Mango Puree
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    Mango Puree Well-Known Member

    But uh, you can't just skim over one thing and miss everything else. I'm not moving on with my life if I want something to be done. That's like telling the colonists in the 1700s to get over every tax that the British gave to them.
     
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  44. DJ Prodigy
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    DJ Prodigy Well-Known Member JailBreak Mod

    nothing needs to be done at all since none of my actions during the reports were MOD ABUSE so drop it already.
     
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  45. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    Mango, Let Live And Be Free. Stop Carrying weight on your back m8 justice will always be served to those who deserve it.
     
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  46. DJ Prodigy
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    DJ Prodigy Well-Known Member JailBreak Mod

    if they wont listen to me or anyone else maybe if wing explained to them directly they will fucking listen.
     
  47. Lance Cocuski Ω
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    Lance Cocuski Ω Well-Known Member Former Staff

    Same for everyone else, let justice be served when it is ready and lets not argue about it anymore. We stated our opinions and that's that.
     
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  48. WBiddy
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    WBiddy Wanna be survivalists Staff Member JailBreak Mod

    It hasn't been served yet then
     
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  49. Captain Meliodas
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    Captain Meliodas Well-Known Member Staff Member JailBreak Mod

    I'm just stating what happened and giving my opinion however I am in no way saying "I hate DJ and Lance" and I'm not saying that we shouldn't give lance a chance because I specifically stated we should wait and see

    however DingDong DJ has gotten 4 chances but everysingle time he was welcomed back... I really think he needs to mature a bit and stop trying to pick fights with everyone... a lot of people on idleserver pick fights with him but instead of taking the morale highground he decides that it's nesacary to rant and complain and the retaliate...

    I disagree with DJ getting his mod back and I disagree with what lance has done recently and even if I rant on discord and complain (which I've yet to do yet) our drama should stay there and if something bad happens like a raid I do think it should affect the chances of getting mod on idleserver

    However this thread has turned into a bitching war so please refrain from commenting unless you have something important to say... if you just want to argue with me PM me and I'll post a summary and if you have beef with one another don't include it in this thread
     
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  50. wing
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    wing Administrator Staff Member Owner

    Okay @Mango Puree [ANTI-HOOVY] I've reviewed this thread. I understand your stance and how you disagree. My decision still stands.

    I'm going to lock this thread.
     
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